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Gerold Rupprecht
Hi,

I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji.
When I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the
incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).

How can this be overridden?

Thanks,

Gerold

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Re: Garbage Collector

ctrueden
Hi Gerold,

> When I set it with an option, it is being overridden
> to use the incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>
> How can this be overridden?

Did you try passing the --default-gc flag? Looking at the launcher source
[1], that should do the trick.

You can also find out this sort of thing by passing --help and scanning the
available options.  There are a couple other potentially useful GC-related
flags, too.

Regards,
Curtis

[1] See:
https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1092-L1098
https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gerold Rupprecht <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji. When
> I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the incremental
> garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>
> How can this be overridden?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gerold
>
> --
> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>

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Re: Garbage Collector

Gerold Rupprecht
Hi Curtis,

Thanks for your answer. I looked at the code from the two links, but still do not get the right garbage collector is I place the following commands in the imagej.cfg file as follows:

.
jre/bin/java
-Xbatch -Xshare:auto -Xnoclassgc -Xms5120m -Xmx5120m -XX:+AggressiveOpts -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:NewSize=1536m -XX:MaxNewSize=1536m -XX:PermSize=67108864 -XX:MaxPermSize=67108864 -XX:GCTimeRatio=200 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseCompressedOops -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetUpdating -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetScanning -XX:NewRatio=4 -cp ij.jar ij.ImageJ

I then launch the application from the terminal as follows:
/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64 '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg' --gc-g1

This gives me the following messages:
Unrecognized VM option '+G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
Warning: falling back to System JVM
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=67108864; support was removed in 8.0
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=67108864; support was removed in 8.0
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=128m; support was removed in 8.0
Unrecognized VM option 'G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
Did you mean '(+/-)G1UseParallelRSetUpdating'?
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.

I have not added the "G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled"  setting, so it seems the program is putting it in.  This appears to be coming from the file
https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798

It seems the JVM settings may have been renamed at some point.

Is there an easy workaround for this?

Thanks,
--
Gerold Rupprecht
10, rue Louis-Curval
CH-1206 Genève, Suisse

Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52

>----Message d'origine----
>De : [hidden email]
>Date : 05/03/2015 - 20:33 (CET)
>À : [hidden email]
>Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
>
>Hi Gerold,
>
>> When I set it with an option, it is being overridden
>> to use the incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>>
>> How can this be overridden?
>
>Did you try passing the --default-gc flag? Looking at the launcher source
>[1], that should do the trick.
>
>You can also find out this sort of thing by passing --help and scanning the
>available options.  There are a couple other potentially useful GC-related
>flags, too.
>
>Regards,
>Curtis
>
>[1] See:
>https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1092-L1098
>https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
>
>On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gerold Rupprecht <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji. When
>> I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the incremental
>> garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>>
>> How can this be overridden?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gerold
>>
>> --
>> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>>
>
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ctrueden
Hi Gerold,

I can look into these errors. But in the meantime, try using the launcher
with the "--dry-run" flag. It will output the exact java command it is
invoking with final args, etc. You can then tweak the command to your
liking, using it to actually launch Java + ImageJ with your desired
arguments.

Regards,
Curtis

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Curtis,
>
> Thanks for your answer. I looked at the code from the two links, but still
> do not get the right garbage collector is I place the following commands in
> the imagej.cfg file as follows:
>
> .
> jre/bin/java
> -Xbatch -Xshare:auto -Xnoclassgc -Xms5120m -Xmx5120m -XX:+AggressiveOpts
> -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:NewSize=1536m -XX:MaxNewSize=1536m
> -XX:PermSize=67108864 -XX:MaxPermSize=67108864 -XX:GCTimeRatio=200
> -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseCompressedOops
> -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetUpdating
> -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetScanning -XX:NewRatio=4 -cp ij.jar ij.ImageJ
>
> I then launch the application from the terminal as follows:
> /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
> '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg' --gc-g1
>
> This gives me the following messages:
> Unrecognized VM option '+G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
> Warning: falling back to System JVM
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=67108864;
> support was removed in 8.0
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=67108864;
> support was removed in 8.0
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=128m; support
> was removed in 8.0
> Unrecognized VM option 'G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
> Did you mean '(+/-)G1UseParallelRSetUpdating'?
> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
>
> I have not added the "G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled"  setting, so it seems
> the program is putting it in.  This appears to be coming from the file
>
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
>
> It seems the JVM settings may have been renamed at some point.
>
> Is there an easy workaround for this?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Gerold Rupprecht
> 10, rue Louis-Curval
> CH-1206 Genève, Suisse
>
> Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52
> >----Message d'origine----
> >De : [hidden email]
> >Date : 05/03/2015 - 20:33 (CET)
> >À : [hidden email]
> >Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
> >
> >Hi Gerold,
> >
> >> When I set it with an option, it is being overridden
> >> to use the incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
> >>
> >> How can this be overridden?
> >
> >Did you try passing the --default-gc flag? Looking at the launcher source
> >[1], that should do the trick.
> >
> >You can also find out this sort of thing by passing --help and scanning
> the
> >available options.  There are a couple other potentially useful GC-related
> >flags, too.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Curtis
> >
> >[1] See:
> >
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1092-L1098
> >
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
> >
> >On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gerold Rupprecht <[hidden email]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji.
> When
> >> I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the incremental
> >> garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
> >>
> >> How can this be overridden?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Gerold
> >>
> >> --
> >> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
> >>
> >
> >--
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> >
>
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>

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Re: Garbage Collector

Gerold Rupprecht
Hi Curtis,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I just tried your suggestion for the --dry-run flag and got the following results:
(I have wrapped it to new line for readability)

/foxel/imagej-elphel/src/main$ /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64 '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg'
--dry-run java
-Xbatch -Xshare:auto
-Xnoclassgc
-Xms5120m
-Xmx5120m
-XX:+AggressiveOpts
-XX:+UseLargePages
-XX:NewSize=1536m
-XX:MaxNewSize=1536m
-XX:PermSize=67108864
-XX:MaxPermSize=67108864
-XX:GCTimeRatio=200
-XX:+DisableExplicitGC
-XX:+UseCompressedOops
-XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:NewRatio=4
-Dpython.cachedir.skip=true
-Dplugins.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
-Xincgc
-XX:PermSize=128m
-Djava.class.path=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/jars/imagej-launcher-3.1.6.jar
-Dimagej.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
-Dij.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
-Dfiji.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app -Dfiji.defaultLibPath=lib/amd64/server/libjvm.so
-Dfiji.executable=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
-Dij.executable=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
-Djava.library.path=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/lib/linux64:/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/mm/linux64 net.imagej.launcher.ClassLauncher
-ijjarpath jars
-ijjarpath plugins net.imagej.Main /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg

The settings are OK except for the garbage collector (XXincgc) and PermSize which is being set at twice what I need.

I really need a throughput garbage collector though.

Any and all help greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

Gerold


--
Gerold Rupprecht
10, rue Louis-Curval
CH-1206 Genève, Suisse

Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52

>----Message d'origine----
>De : [hidden email]
>Date : 06/03/2015 - 00:34 (CET)
>À : [hidden email]
>Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
>
>Hi Gerold,
>
>I can look into these errors. But in the meantime, try using the launcher
>with the "--dry-run" flag. It will output the exact java command it is
>invoking with final args, etc. You can then tweak the command to your
>liking, using it to actually launch Java + ImageJ with your desired
>arguments.
>
>Regards,
>Curtis
>
>On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Curtis,
>>
>> Thanks for your answer. I looked at the code from the two links, but still
>> do not get the right garbage collector is I place the following commands in
>> the imagej.cfg file as follows:
>>
>> .
>> jre/bin/java
>> -Xbatch -Xshare:auto -Xnoclassgc -Xms5120m -Xmx5120m -XX:+AggressiveOpts
>> -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:NewSize=1536m -XX:MaxNewSize=1536m
>> -XX:PermSize=67108864 -XX:MaxPermSize=67108864 -XX:GCTimeRatio=200
>> -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseCompressedOops
>> -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetUpdating
>> -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetScanning -XX:NewRatio=4 -cp ij.jar ij.ImageJ
>>
>> I then launch the application from the terminal as follows:
>> /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
>> '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg' --gc-g1
>>
>> This gives me the following messages:
>> Unrecognized VM option '+G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
>> Warning: falling back to System JVM
>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=67108864;
>> support was removed in 8.0
>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=67108864;
>> support was removed in 8.0
>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=128m; support
>> was removed in 8.0
>> Unrecognized VM option 'G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
>> Did you mean '(+/-)G1UseParallelRSetUpdating'?
>> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
>> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
>>
>> I have not added the "G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled"  setting, so it seems
>> the program is putting it in.  This appears to be coming from the file
>>
>> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
>>
>> It seems the JVM settings may have been renamed at some point.
>>
>> Is there an easy workaround for this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Gerold Rupprecht
>> 10, rue Louis-Curval
>> CH-1206 Genève, Suisse
>>
>> Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52
>> >----Message d'origine----
>> >De : [hidden email]
>> >Date : 05/03/2015 - 20:33 (CET)
>> >À : [hidden email]
>> >Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
>> >
>> >Hi Gerold,
>> >
>> >> When I set it with an option, it is being overridden
>> >> to use the incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>> >>
>> >> How can this be overridden?
>> >
>> >Did you try passing the --default-gc flag? Looking at the launcher source
>> >[1], that should do the trick.
>> >
>> >You can also find out this sort of thing by passing --help and scanning
>> the
>> >available options.  There are a couple other potentially useful GC-related
>> >flags, too.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Curtis
>> >
>> >[1] See:
>> >
>> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1092-L1098
>> >
>> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
>> >
>> >On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gerold Rupprecht <[hidden email]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji.
>> When
>> >> I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the incremental
>> >> garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
>> >>
>> >> How can this be overridden?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Gerold
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>> >>
>> >
>> >--
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>> >
>>
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>>
>
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Re: Garbage Collector

ctrueden
Hi Gerold,

Now that you have that command line output from --dry-run, you can
copy-paste it into your console, or a script, using it to actually launch
ImageJ. You do not need to use the launcher to launch -- you can run that
long java command instead -- but with your own GC settings. No need to wait
for any bug-fixes in the launcher.

Meanwhile, I will work on fixing the launcher to behave better.

Regards,
Curtis
 On Mar 5, 2015 6:15 PM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Curtis,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply.
>
> I just tried your suggestion for the --dry-run flag and got the following
> results:
> (I have wrapped it to new line for readability)
>
> /foxel/imagej-elphel/src/main$ /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
> '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg'
> --dry-run java
> -Xbatch -Xshare:auto
> -Xnoclassgc
> -Xms5120m
> -Xmx5120m
> -XX:+AggressiveOpts
> -XX:+UseLargePages
> -XX:NewSize=1536m
> -XX:MaxNewSize=1536m
> -XX:PermSize=67108864
> -XX:MaxPermSize=67108864
> -XX:GCTimeRatio=200
> -XX:+DisableExplicitGC
> -XX:+UseCompressedOops
> -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions
> -XX:NewRatio=4
> -Dpython.cachedir.skip=true
> -Dplugins.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
> -Xincgc
> -XX:PermSize=128m
>
> -Djava.class.path=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/jars/imagej-launcher-3.1.6.jar
> -Dimagej.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
> -Dij.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
> -Dfiji.dir=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app
> -Dfiji.defaultLibPath=lib/amd64/server/libjvm.so
> -Dfiji.executable=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
> -Dij.executable=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
> -Djava.library.path=/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/lib/linux64:/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/mm/linux64
> net.imagej.launcher.ClassLauncher
> -ijjarpath jars
> -ijjarpath plugins net.imagej.Main /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg
>
> The settings are OK except for the garbage collector (XXincgc) and
> PermSize which is being set at twice what I need.
>
> I really need a throughput garbage collector though.
>
> Any and all help greatly appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Gerold
>
>
> --
> Gerold Rupprecht
> 10, rue Louis-Curval
> CH-1206 Genève, Suisse
>
> Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52
> >----Message d'origine----
> >De : [hidden email]
> >Date : 06/03/2015 - 00:34 (CET)
> >À : [hidden email]
> >Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
> >
> >Hi Gerold,
> >
> >I can look into these errors. But in the meantime, try using the launcher
> >with the "--dry-run" flag. It will output the exact java command it is
> >invoking with final args, etc. You can then tweak the command to your
> >liking, using it to actually launch Java + ImageJ with your desired
> >arguments.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Curtis
> >
> >On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Curtis,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your answer. I looked at the code from the two links, but
> still
> >> do not get the right garbage collector is I place the following
> commands in
> >> the imagej.cfg file as follows:
> >>
> >> .
> >> jre/bin/java
> >> -Xbatch -Xshare:auto -Xnoclassgc -Xms5120m -Xmx5120m -XX:+AggressiveOpts
> >> -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:NewSize=1536m -XX:MaxNewSize=1536m
> >> -XX:PermSize=67108864 -XX:MaxPermSize=67108864 -XX:GCTimeRatio=200
> >> -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseCompressedOops
> >> -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetUpdating
> >> -XX:+G1UseParallelRSetScanning -XX:NewRatio=4 -cp ij.jar ij.ImageJ
> >>
> >> I then launch the application from the terminal as follows:
> >> /home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ-linux64
> >> '/home/foxel/Desktop/Fiji.app/ImageJ.cfg' --gc-g1
> >>
> >> This gives me the following messages:
> >> Unrecognized VM option '+G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
> >> Warning: falling back to System JVM
> >> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=67108864;
> >> support was removed in 8.0
> >> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=67108864;
> >> support was removed in 8.0
> >> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option PermSize=128m; support
> >> was removed in 8.0
> >> Unrecognized VM option 'G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled'
> >> Did you mean '(+/-)G1UseParallelRSetUpdating'?
> >> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
> >> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
> >>
> >> I have not added the "G1ParallelRSetUpdatingEnabled"  setting, so it
> seems
> >> the program is putting it in.  This appears to be coming from the file
> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
> >>
> >> It seems the JVM settings may have been renamed at some point.
> >>
> >> Is there an easy workaround for this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >> Gerold Rupprecht
> >> 10, rue Louis-Curval
> >> CH-1206 Genève, Suisse
> >>
> >> Mobile: +41 79 914 29 52
> >> >----Message d'origine----
> >> >De : [hidden email]
> >> >Date : 05/03/2015 - 20:33 (CET)
> >> >À : [hidden email]
> >> >Objet : Re: Garbage Collector
> >> >
> >> >Hi Gerold,
> >> >
> >> >> When I set it with an option, it is being overridden
> >> >> to use the incremental garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
> >> >>
> >> >> How can this be overridden?
> >> >
> >> >Did you try passing the --default-gc flag? Looking at the launcher
> source
> >> >[1], that should do the trick.
> >> >
> >> >You can also find out this sort of thing by passing --help and scanning
> >> the
> >> >available options.  There are a couple other potentially useful
> GC-related
> >> >flags, too.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Curtis
> >> >
> >> >[1] See:
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1092-L1098
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/imagej/imagej-launcher/blob/imagej-launcher-3.3.0/src/main/c/ImageJ.c#L1783-L1798
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gerold Rupprecht <[hidden email]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to try a different garbage collector when running Fiji.
> >> When
> >> >> I set it with an option, it is being overridden to use the
> incremental
> >> >> garbage collector, (-XX+incgc).
> >> >>
> >> >> How can this be overridden?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Gerold
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >--
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> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
> >>
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