My name is Gary Hradek and I work at UCSF.
I am trying to measure the difference between ears that have been treated with GM1 in a deafness study. Normal ears have a fixed number of neurons with an average cross-sectional area of 320 micrometers. Deaf ears have fewer and smaller neurons. I have used a counting method that measures the density of the neurons(neuron profiles) in 2 micron sections by overlaying a grid matrix on the section and counting the times the intersection appear over the neuron(point counting). I have used image J to measure the cells and the deafened GM1 treated cells are 7 percent smaller than the deafened controls. What is the proper correction factor to use? Bigger cells will have a larger cross-sectional area(x and y dimension) and more profiles in the z dimension. Both of these factors will affect my density measurement. I think that 7 percent account for the x and y difference. I think I need to add one half of 7 percent or 3.5 percent to account for the z difference. The total correction would be 10.5 percent? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated and many thanks for your considerations. Gary __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com |
Gary, your problem is a classical stereology one, well described in many books and articles. Howard and Reed : Unbiased Stereology or Peter Mouton: Principles and Practices of Unbiased Stereology are good starting material. A correct, by modern stereology rules, approach would have required 3D counting, either in thick sections or 2 thin sections.
For your question, an Abercrombie correction might help: N=c*(h/(h+z)) where N is the real number of particles, c is the number of profiles counted in a thin section, h is the thickness of the section (2 in your case) and z the mean z dimension of cells. You can change z by 7% and find out how much N changes. One of the several problems with this approach is the fact that you don't actually know z. Does this help? >>> [hidden email] 11/03/05 12:50 PM >>> My name is Gary Hradek and I work at UCSF. I am trying to measure the difference between ears that have been treated with GM1 in a deafness study. Normal ears have a fixed number of neurons with an average cross-sectional area of 320 micrometers. Deaf ears have fewer and smaller neurons. I have used a counting method that measures the density of the neurons(neuron profiles) in 2 micron sections by overlaying a grid matrix on the section and counting the times the intersection appear over the neuron(point counting). I have used image J to measure the cells and the deafened GM1 treated cells are 7 percent smaller than the deafened controls. What is the proper correction factor to use? Bigger cells will have a larger cross-sectional area(x and y dimension) and more profiles in the z dimension. Both of these factors will affect my density measurement. I think that 7 percent account for the x and y difference. I think I need to add one half of 7 percent or 3.5 percent to account for the z difference. The total correction would be 10.5 percent? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated and many thanks for your considerations. Gary __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com |
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