Re: Fiji Linux Tarballs broken

[dscho]

Hi Alex,

On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Alex Krolick wrote:

> The default fiji-linux64.tar.gz files from the http://imagej.net/Downloads
> page are giving me "unexpected EOF" errors after a few files are extracted.

I cannot reproduce this issue. I just downloaded fiji-linux64.tar.gz (the
Fiji continuous release) from http://imagej.net/Downloads and it untars
just fine. For the record, the file is exactly 156461821 bytes large and
the SHA-1 is bae5b985a2fba0201b2f1a0b3b902d6bba7bcd5e.

Maybe the program you use to download it has a problem? Or your proxy?

> The ZIP archive from Jenkins seems ok.
>
> Hope you are the right person to address this to--if not, can you point me
> at a bug tracker?

The best way would be to use the Help>Report a Bug plugin. Unless Fiji
cannot be downloaded, of course, in which case the mailing list (Cc:ed) is
the best address to raise such an issue.

I am curious: we really tried to make the ImageJ/Fiji wiki as useful as
possible, so we put the "Contact and Help" link into the sidebar, where
the information about bug reporter and mailing list is written down.

What would have been a better place for you to find that information?

Ciao,
Johannes

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[dscho]

Hi Alex,

On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Alex Krolick wrote:

> As to the Contact information in the side bar, missing that was my mistake.

Actually, I was interested in suggestions to make it easier to find
information such as the contact information. It is a wiki, and it is a
community effort, so if you could spare the time to improve the wiki, it
would benefit the project.

> I will say that bouncing between the Fiji website, Fiji wiki, ImageJ
> website, Jenkins, and GitHub is quite confusing.

Now *I* am confused. The Fiji website and the Fiji wiki is exactly the
same. Both are http://fiji.sc/ because the Fiji website *is* the wiki.

As to the ImageJ website: http://imagej.net/ is the ImageJ view on the
same wiki, transparently integrating also the ImageJ 1.x website so that
you never have to leave the domain.

The only time you "leave" the website is when you click the download
button – this leads to the Jenkins subdomain, but you do not exactly see a
different page because the download starts right away, yes?

I also do not know where the Fiji wiki guided you to GitHub – unless you
entered the developer-centric parts of the wiki.

In short, I would be really grateful if you could spare the time to
identify where readers are led into the wrong direction and gave it a try
to make it less confusing.

> Since it looks like Fiji.sc is most up-to-date, I'd link to that from
> the imagej.net page instead of imagej.net/Fiji.

Actually, if you compare
http://fiji.sc/index.php?title=Fiji&action=history and
http://imagej.net/index.php?title=Fiji&action=history you will find that
the edits are identical. The reason is that the Fiji/ImageJ wiki is really
backed by the same document management system, and only the appearance is
different between the Fiji and the ImageJ domains.

> The support section on that page only links to the contributors list.

Ah. If you refer to http://fiji.sc/Fiji#Support then I agree: it could be
misunderstood. It is more about "Financial Support to keep Fiji alive"
than "Support by the Fiji community for the community", i.e. it reflects
what I am currently worrying about personally, as opposed to the
information you sought.

Again, the wiki is a community resource, and if you find anything that
could be improved, you should feel more than just free to change it, by
way of saying thanks for what has been provided to you free of cost.

Ciao,
Johannes

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[ctrueden]

Hi Alex,

I noticed you made some edits to the Fiji front page. Thanks very much for
that!

I just wanted to fill you in on some of my recent thoughts relating to the
structure of the wiki's documentation pages:

Recently I converted the "Documentation" section to a Fiji-specific sidebar
[1]. This is where all the previous Documentation links went. The idea is
to separate general-purpose ImageJ documentation from Fiji-specific
documentation. Eventually we can split up that Fiji docs menu into two
separate lists along those lines. We'll have to consider where and how
those links should be presented.

I noticed you added a short "Help" section with bullets. Relatedly, I want
to do something better for the Documentation page [2], which is also a
short list of (non-Fiji-specific) links, linked from the left-hand sidebar
(Documentation section, Overview link). It should probably be much more
than just a short list of links, since it is intended to be the main entry
point into ImageJ documentation.

Any thoughts or assistance you (or anyone!) might have relating to the
above would be most welcome.

Regards,
Curtis

[1] http://imagej.net/Template:FijiDocsMenu
[2] http://imagej.net/Documentation

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Johannes Schindelin <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Alex Krolick wrote:
>
> > As to the Contact information in the side bar, missing that was my
> mistake.
>
> Actually, I was interested in suggestions to make it easier to find
> information such as the contact information. It is a wiki, and it is a
> community effort, so if you could spare the time to improve the wiki, it
> would benefit the project.
>
> > I will say that bouncing between the Fiji website, Fiji wiki, ImageJ
> > website, Jenkins, and GitHub is quite confusing.
>
> Now *I* am confused. The Fiji website and the Fiji wiki is exactly the
> same. Both are http://fiji.sc/ because the Fiji website *is* the wiki.
>
> As to the ImageJ website: http://imagej.net/ is the ImageJ view on the
> same wiki, transparently integrating also the ImageJ 1.x website so that
> you never have to leave the domain.
>
> The only time you "leave" the website is when you click the download
> button – this leads to the Jenkins subdomain, but you do not exactly see a
> different page because the download starts right away, yes?
>
> I also do not know where the Fiji wiki guided you to GitHub – unless you
> entered the developer-centric parts of the wiki.
>
> In short, I would be really grateful if you could spare the time to
> identify where readers are led into the wrong direction and gave it a try
> to make it less confusing.
>
> > Since it looks like Fiji.sc is most up-to-date, I'd link to that from
> > the imagej.net page instead of imagej.net/Fiji.
>
> Actually, if you compare
> http://fiji.sc/index.php?title=Fiji&action=history and
> http://imagej.net/index.php?title=Fiji&action=history you will find that
> the edits are identical. The reason is that the Fiji/ImageJ wiki is really
> backed by the same document management system, and only the appearance is
> different between the Fiji and the ImageJ domains.
>
> > The support section on that page only links to the contributors list.
>
> Ah. If you refer to http://fiji.sc/Fiji#Support then I agree: it could be
> misunderstood. It is more about "Financial Support to keep Fiji alive"
> than "Support by the Fiji community for the community", i.e. it reflects
> what I am currently worrying about personally, as opposed to the
> information you sought.
>
> Again, the wiki is a community resource, and if you find anything that
> could be improved, you should feel more than just free to change it, by
> way of saying thanks for what has been provided to you free of cost.
>
> Ciao,
> Johannes
>
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