Dear All,
I'm learning to use image to analyze sperm sample, mainly to measure head area, head width & length and also tail length. I know this subject has been discussed quite for some time but I still have some difficulties. For the head area I'm using particle analysis (PA) to measure the area, but the main problem is how to accurately separate between head and tail (to measure head area). Because in the PA I define the sperm head as a circular object with circularity between 0.75-0.9, I have try several methods to separate the tail from the head using such as erode and dilate or minimum and maximum filter and the main problem of this method is the sperm sometimes became to round since the dilate or maximum filter only interpolate from the eroded condition. The best method so far to cut the tail from the head manually using the pen tools. Is there anyway to calculate head area without the necessity to separate head from tail ? For the head length I'm using ferrets from ImageJ PA, but for the sperm width (breadth) I still having the difficulties to count it automatically. And is there any way to measure tail length automatically ? So far I'm using manual methods using line tools but sometimes became very frustrating when I have to measure 3000 cells. For the sample image of the sperm I upload it at http://picasaweb.google.com/RTP.Nugraha/Sperm/photo#5186514543892861554 Thanks in advance and looking forward to hear any suggestion -- R. Taufiq Purna Nugraha, DVM. Laboratory of Reproduction Div. of Zoology [Museum Zoologicum Bogoriense] R.C. for Biology Indonesian Institute of Sciences [LIPI] Jl. Raya Jakarta – Bogor Km. 46, Cibinong 16911 INDONESIA Telp : +62-21-8765056/64 Ext. 151 Fax : +62-21-8765068 e-mail : [hidden email], [hidden email] |
Try Morphology plugin "graymorphology, radius 10., circle, close" on
the gray image. You have than the sperm heads without tail for particle analysis. Regards Karsten Am 07.04.2008 um 17:08 schrieb Taufiq Purna Nugraha: > For the sample image of the sperm I upload it at > http://picasaweb.google.com/RTP.Nugraha/Sperm/ > photo#5186514543892861554 |
Dear Karsten and Chris
Thanks for the advice, I try the gray morphology plugins last night, but this method still have a bias just like the minimum and maximum filter, where the sperm became to round and over estimate on the head and tail junction, I will try again on different samples. And for Chris I will try your advice tonight. btw, is the gray morphology that slow ?, I use it on an image with 2816 x 2112 pixel resolution and it takes more than one minutes to produce the result. And do you have any advice how to count the sperm tail length automatically ? Cheers, On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Karsten Rodenacker <[hidden email]> wrote: > Try Morphology plugin "graymorphology, radius 10., circle, close" on the > gray image. You have than the sperm heads without tail for particle > analysis. > > Regards > Karsten > > Am 07.04.2008 um 17:08 schrieb Taufiq Purna Nugraha: > > For the sample image of the sperm I upload it at > > http://picasaweb.google.com/RTP.Nugraha/Sperm/photo#5186514543892861554 > > > -- R. Taufiq Purna Nugraha, DVM. Laboratory of Reproduction Div. of Zoology [Museum Zoologicum Bogoriense] R.C. for Biology Indonesian Institute of Sciences [LIPI] Jl. Raya Jakarta – Bogor Km. 46, Cibinong 16911 INDONESIA Telp : +62-21-8765056/64 Ext. 151 Fax : +62-21-8765068 e-mail : [hidden email], [hidden email] |
Am 08.04.2008 um 15:43 schrieb Taufiq Purna Nugraha:
> Dear Karsten and Chris > > Thanks for the advice, I try the gray morphology plugins last night, > but > this method still have a bias just like the minimum and maximum > filter, > where the sperm became to round and over estimate on the head and tail > junction, I will try again on different samples. And for Chris I > will try > your advice tonight. > > btw, is the gray morphology that slow ?, I use it on an image with > 2816 x > 2112 pixel resolution and it takes more than one minutes to produce > the > result. And do you have any advice how to count the sperm tail length > automatically ? fact it is slow. The difference between the original and the closed image allows to detect the sperm tails quite well. Possibly with a Threshold, another (binary) opening (small) and a skeleton. For each connected object (isolated tail) the number of pixels is an estimate, not good but possibly sufficient. Another one possibly better is the perimeter/2 of each connected skeletonized object. Karsten > > Cheers, > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Karsten Rodenacker <[hidden email] > > > wrote: > >> Try Morphology plugin "graymorphology, radius 10., circle, close" >> on the >> gray image. You have than the sperm heads without tail for particle >> analysis. >> >> Regards >> Karsten >> >> Am 07.04.2008 um 17:08 schrieb Taufiq Purna Nugraha: >> >> For the sample image of the sperm I upload it at >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/RTP.Nugraha/Sperm/photo#5186514543892861554 >>> >> > > > -- > R. Taufiq Purna Nugraha, DVM. > > Laboratory of Reproduction > Div. of Zoology [Museum Zoologicum Bogoriense] > R.C. for Biology > Indonesian Institute of Sciences [LIPI] > Jl. Raya Jakarta – Bogor Km. 46, Cibinong 16911 > INDONESIA > Telp : +62-21-8765056/64 Ext. 151 > Fax : +62-21-8765068 > e-mail : [hidden email], [hidden email] |
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