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Patrick Pirrotte

new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

Hi,

New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.

LSMToolbox 4.0d wiki page:
http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsmtoolbox/
LSMToolbox 4.0d download page: http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=115

LSMReader 4.0d wiki page:
http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsm_reader/
LSMReader 4.0d download page: http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=156

Several bugs have been fixed and a few new features have been added. Most
importantly, compressed and uncompressed images work again for ZEISS LSM
images, after a bug in ImageJ's readCompressed16bit method was corrected.
Jérôme Mutterer also contributed the excellent Magic Montage Macro toolset,
which will allow the quick creation and shuffling of montage images. These
macros are now accessible on the IJ toolbar and are installed through the
Toolbox interface. If you supply a more recent version of magic_montage in
the IJ toolset directory, that version will be used by the toolbox.

The much discussed problem on race conditions using the toolbox/reader in
macros seems to be resolved. Furthermore, lsm files can be batch converted
via a listings file. The listings file (extension csv) should be defined as
follows:

input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbose(0|1
)[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)[NEXT_LINE]

Here's the changelog for the two last versions.

2008/04/23 (v4.0d):
- Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
- Toolbox: a bug caused a race condition resulting in macros behaving
erratically has been fixed
- Toolbox: image preview: the thumbnail is shown in grayscale
- Toolbox: image preview: added a slider to brows through thumbnail
stacks
- Toolbox: Added Magic_Montage, a bunch of useful macros by Jérôme
Mutterer, installed via toolbox. Version check addeed.
into the ImageJ toolbar via the Toolbox user interface
- Reader/Toolbox: 8bit and 12bit compressed and uncompressed images work
- Toolbox: batch conversion interface: added a reset button to empty the
file list

2008/03/07 (v4.0c):
- Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
- Reader/toolbox: images are opened as hyperstacks
- Toolbox: fixed the binding to HyperVolumeBrowser and Image5D
- Toolbox: fixed the stamping of images
- Reader/toolbox: added support for linescan (scantype 2)
- Toolbox: cleaned up the way some internal strings are read (thanks to
Peter H. Li)
- Toolbox: added batch file support via tab delimited [TAB] csv file. In
each row

input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbose(0|1
)[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)

Thank you for all the bug reports and useful comments. Don't hesitate to
contact me (patrick(at)image-archive.org) if you need something fixed in the
reader/toolbox.

Best regards,

Patrick

_______________________
Patrick Pirrotte, PhD
Institute of Immunology

Laboratoire National de Santé
WHO Collaborating Centre for Measles
WHO European Reference Laboratory for Measles and Rubella

20A, rue Auguste Lumière
L-1950 Luxembourg
Tel: +352-490604226
Fax: +352-490686

lechristophe

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

Dear Patrick (and Jérôme),

Is there a place where I can download the Magic Montage toolbar only,
without the LSM toolbox ? The LSM toolbox is great, but I'm just trying to
set up a '"minimal" distro for a few basic users here, and Magic Montage
would be very usefull for them (they don't use any Zeiss scope at the
moment). I went to the ImageJ wiki and found the Magic Montage article (
http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/jmutterer/Magic_Montage/) but there is no
download there.

Thanks a lot !

Christophe Leterrier

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Pirrotte <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.
>
> LSMToolbox 4.0d wiki page:
> http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsmtoolbox/
> LSMToolbox 4.0d download page:
> http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=115
>
> LSMReader 4.0d wiki page:
> http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsm_reader/
> LSMReader 4.0d download page:
> http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=156
>
> Several bugs have been fixed and a few new features have been added. Most
> importantly, compressed and uncompressed images work again for ZEISS LSM
> images, after a bug in ImageJ's readCompressed16bit method was corrected.
> Jérôme Mutterer also contributed the excellent Magic Montage Macro
> toolset,
> which will allow the quick creation and shuffling of montage images. These
> macros are now accessible on the IJ toolbar and are installed through the
> Toolbox interface. If you supply a more recent version of magic_montage in
> the IJ toolset directory, that version will be used by the toolbox.
>
> The much discussed problem on race conditions using the toolbox/reader in
> macros seems to be resolved. Furthermore, lsm files can be batch converted
> via a listings file. The listings file (extension csv) should be defined
> as
> follows:
>
>
> input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbose(0|1
> )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)[NEXT_LINE]
>
> Here's the changelog for the two last versions.
>
> 2008/04/23 (v4.0d):
> - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> - Toolbox: a bug caused a race condition resulting in macros behaving
> erratically has been fixed
> - Toolbox: image preview: the thumbnail is shown in grayscale
> - Toolbox: image preview: added a slider to brows through thumbnail
> stacks
> - Toolbox: Added Magic_Montage, a bunch of useful macros by Jérôme
> Mutterer, installed via toolbox. Version check addeed.
> into the ImageJ toolbar via the Toolbox user interface
> - Reader/Toolbox: 8bit and 12bit compressed and uncompressed images work
> - Toolbox: batch conversion interface: added a reset button to empty the
> file list
>
> 2008/03/07 (v4.0c):
> - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> - Reader/toolbox: images are opened as hyperstacks
> - Toolbox: fixed the binding to HyperVolumeBrowser and Image5D
> - Toolbox: fixed the stamping of images
> - Reader/toolbox: added support for linescan (scantype 2)
> - Toolbox: cleaned up the way some internal strings are read (thanks to
> Peter H. Li)
> - Toolbox: added batch file support via tab delimited [TAB] csv file. In
> each row
>
>
> input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbose(0|1
> )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)
>
> Thank you for all the bug reports and useful comments. Don't hesitate to
> contact me (patrick(at)image-archive.org) if you need something fixed in
> the
> reader/toolbox.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Patrick
>
> _______________________
> Patrick Pirrotte, PhD
> Institute of Immunology
>
> Laboratoire National de Santé
> WHO Collaborating Centre for Measles
> WHO European Reference Laboratory for Measles and Rubella
>
> 20A, rue Auguste Lumière
> L-1950 Luxembourg
> Tel: +352-490604226
> Fax: +352-490686
>

Patrick Pirrotte

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

Hi Christophe,

You can find version 1.1 in the the source code of the LSM_Toolbox
(http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=115):

It's in the package: org\imagearchive\lsm\toolbox\macros\

Regards,

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: ImageJ Interest Group [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Christophe Leterrier
Sent: 29 April 2008 10:17
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

Dear Patrick (and Jérôme),

Is there a place where I can download the Magic Montage toolbar only,
without the LSM toolbox ? The LSM toolbox is great, but I'm just trying to
set up a '"minimal" distro for a few basic users here, and Magic Montage
would be very usefull for them (they don't use any Zeiss scope at the
moment). I went to the ImageJ wiki and found the Magic Montage article (
http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/jmutterer/Magic_Montage/) but there is no
download there.

Thanks a lot !

Christophe Leterrier

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Pirrotte <
[hidden email]> wrote:

corrected.

> Jérôme Mutterer also contributed the excellent Magic Montage Macro
> toolset, which will allow the quick creation and shuffling of montage
> images. These macros are now accessible on the IJ toolbar and are
> installed through the Toolbox interface. If you supply a more recent
> version of magic_montage in the IJ toolset directory, that version
> will be used by the toolbox.
>
> The much discussed problem on race conditions using the toolbox/reader
> in macros seems to be resolved. Furthermore, lsm files can be batch
> converted via a listings file. The listings file (extension csv)
> should be defined as
> follows:
>
>
> input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbo
> se(0|1
> )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)[NEXT_LINE]
>
> Here's the changelog for the two last versions.
>
> 2008/04/23 (v4.0d):
> - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> - Toolbox: a bug caused a race condition resulting in macros
> behaving erratically has been fixed
> - Toolbox: image preview: the thumbnail is shown in grayscale
> - Toolbox: image preview: added a slider to brows through thumbnail
> stacks
> - Toolbox: Added Magic_Montage, a bunch of useful macros by Jérôme
> Mutterer, installed via toolbox. Version check addeed.
> into the ImageJ toolbar via the Toolbox user interface
> - Reader/Toolbox: 8bit and 12bit compressed and uncompressed images work
> - Toolbox: batch conversion interface: added a reset button to empty
> the file list
>
> 2008/03/07 (v4.0c):
> - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> - Reader/toolbox: images are opened as hyperstacks
> - Toolbox: fixed the binding to HyperVolumeBrowser and Image5D
> - Toolbox: fixed the stamping of images
> - Reader/toolbox: added support for linescan (scantype 2)
> - Toolbox: cleaned up the way some internal strings are read (thanks
> to Peter H. Li)
> - Toolbox: added batch file support via tab delimited [TAB] csv
> file. In each row
>
>
> input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbo
> se(0|1
> )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)
>
> Thank you for all the bug reports and useful comments. Don't hesitate
> to contact me (patrick(at)image-archive.org) if you need something
> fixed in the reader/toolbox.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Patrick
>
> _______________________
> Patrick Pirrotte, PhD
> Institute of Immunology
>
> Laboratoire National de Santé
> WHO Collaborating Centre for Measles
> WHO European Reference Laboratory for Measles and Rubella
>
> 20A, rue Auguste Lumière
> L-1950 Luxembourg
> Tel: +352-490604226
> Fax: +352-490686
>

jmutterer

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

I will add a download link in the ImageJ wiki Magic Montage article at
http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/jmutterer/Magic_Montage/

Jerome

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Patrick Pirrotte <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Christophe,
>
> You can find version 1.1 in the the source code of the LSM_Toolbox
> (http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=115):
>
> It's in the package: org\imagearchive\lsm\toolbox\macros\
>
> Regards,
>
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ImageJ Interest Group [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Christophe Leterrier
> Sent: 29 April 2008 10:17
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d
>
> Dear Patrick (and Jérôme),
>
> Is there a place where I can download the Magic Montage toolbar only,
> without the LSM toolbox ? The LSM toolbox is great, but I'm just trying to
> set up a '"minimal" distro for a few basic users here, and Magic Montage
> would be very usefull for them (they don't use any Zeiss scope at the
> moment). I went to the ImageJ wiki and found the Magic Montage article (
> http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/jmutterer/Magic_Montage/) but there is
> no
> download there.
>
> Thanks a lot !
>
> Christophe Leterrier
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Pirrotte <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.
> >
> > LSMToolbox 4.0d wiki page:
> > http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsmtoolbox/
> > LSMToolbox 4.0d download page:
> > http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=115
> >
> > LSMReader 4.0d wiki page:
> > http://imagejdocu.tudor.lu/Members/ppirrotte/lsm_reader/
> > LSMReader 4.0d download page:
> > http://www.image-archive.org/index.php?id=156
> >
> > Several bugs have been fixed and a few new features have been added.
> > Most importantly, compressed and uncompressed images work again for
> > ZEISS LSM images, after a bug in ImageJ's readCompressed16bit method was
> corrected.
> > Jérôme Mutterer also contributed the excellent Magic Montage Macro
> > toolset, which will allow the quick creation and shuffling of montage
> > images. These macros are now accessible on the IJ toolbar and are
> > installed through the Toolbox interface. If you supply a more recent
> > version of magic_montage in the IJ toolset directory, that version
> > will be used by the toolbox.
> >
> > The much discussed problem on race conditions using the toolbox/reader
> > in macros seems to be resolved. Furthermore, lsm files can be batch
> > converted via a listings file. The listings file (extension csv)
> > should be defined as
> > follows:
> >
> >
> > input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbo
> > se(0|1
> > )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)[NEXT_LINE]
> >
> > Here's the changelog for the two last versions.
> >
> > 2008/04/23 (v4.0d):
> > - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> > - Toolbox: a bug caused a race condition resulting in macros
> > behaving erratically has been fixed
> > - Toolbox: image preview: the thumbnail is shown in grayscale
> > - Toolbox: image preview: added a slider to brows through thumbnail
> > stacks
> > - Toolbox: Added Magic_Montage, a bunch of useful macros by Jérôme
> > Mutterer, installed via toolbox. Version check addeed.
> > into the ImageJ toolbar via the Toolbox user interface
> > - Reader/Toolbox: 8bit and 12bit compressed and uncompressed images
> work
> > - Toolbox: batch conversion interface: added a reset button to empty
> > the file list
> >
> > 2008/03/07 (v4.0c):
> > - Reader/toolbox: minor bugfixes
> > - Reader/toolbox: images are opened as hyperstacks
> > - Toolbox: fixed the binding to HyperVolumeBrowser and Image5D
> > - Toolbox: fixed the stamping of images
> > - Reader/toolbox: added support for linescan (scantype 2)
> > - Toolbox: cleaned up the way some internal strings are read (thanks
> > to Peter H. Li)
> > - Toolbox: added batch file support via tab delimited [TAB] csv
> > file. In each row
> >
> >
> > input_file[TAB]output_dir[TAB]file_format(tiff|jpeg|gif|...)[TAB]verbo
> > se(0|1
> > )[TAB]create_sepDir(0|1)
> >
> > Thank you for all the bug reports and useful comments. Don't hesitate
> > to contact me (patrick(at)image-archive.org) if you need something
> > fixed in the reader/toolbox.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > _______________________
> > Patrick Pirrotte, PhD
> > Institute of Immunology
> >
> > Laboratoire National de Santé
> > WHO Collaborating Centre for Measles
> > WHO European Reference Laboratory for Measles and Rubella
> >
> > 20A, rue Auguste Lumière
> > L-1950 Luxembourg
> > Tel: +352-490604226
> > Fax: +352-490686
> >
>

Philip Ershler

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

In reply to this post by Patrick Pirrotte

Patrick,
Thanks again for all the great work you guys have done on the LSM
Toolbox and Reader. It's a life saver for those of us with Zeiss
systems.

Phil

On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Patrick Pirrotte wrote:

Gabriel Landini

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

In reply to this post by Patrick Pirrotte

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 08:53:01 Patrick Pirrotte wrote:
> New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.

That is a very nice. Many thanks for keep updating these.

I have a somehow unrelated comment and not a really a criticism to the LSM
Toolbox, but some suggestion/question about the plugins.config files in the
jars.

I am getting a too crowded Plugins entry list and in linux, for some reason
the submenus cannot be scrolled, while in the macs and win they can.

One hasn't got many options:
* Have less plugins :-) (not really)

* Have another level of submenus (I mentioned it to Wayne some time ago, but I
can't remember why this was not a good idea)

* Regroup them in a smaller number of categories (what I am doing). However
many plugins packed in jars have already a coded entry in the plugins.config
file of the jar.

Of course this can be edited and I have resorted to do this with some jars I
want to keep installed without adding new entries. However, when a plugin is
updated one has to go back and edit the config file again and it becomes a
bit tedious.

I would like to suggest *not* adding a new entries, but suggest them while
keeping those empty, so users can create these by adding a new folder where
the jars can be dropped. If one drops these in an already existing folder,
the entries would appear there.

Ideally we could agree some categories following those in Wayne's site. I
think it is not very useful to have a new entry which expands to just a
further branch or 1 or 2.
For those interested, I read the other day that on average that the
theoretical minimum number of choices can be achieved using a ternary tree,
but this is not the problem here, it is just a too large list of root
categories with few branches after it.

Anyway, what I do is that instead of having in the plugins.config :
Plugins>LSM Toolbox, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")

I put:
Plugins, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")

Now the jar file can be dropped anywhere. If one wants to create a custom
Plugins hierarchy, this can be don by using folder names where the jars are
put.

Regards,

Gabriel

ctrueden

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

Hi Gabriel,

Anyway, what I do is that instead of having in the plugins.config :
> Plugins>LSM Toolbox, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>
> I put:
> Plugins, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>

As a packager of plugins, I would not want to make such a change because
most naive users will just drop the file into the plugins folder directly
and get a large number of new entries in the base Plugins menu. And
inevitably someone will complain "why don't you group them in a subfolder"?
:-)

But at the ImageJ level, there are a couple of changes that could solve the
issue:

1) If a JAR file is in the root plugins folder, and has a plugins.config
specifies a submenu name, that submenu name is used as before. But if a JAR
file is in a subfolder of the plugins folder, the plugins.config's submenu
name (if any) is ignored and instead the name of the subfolder is used. That
way, for example, users who drop LSM_Toolbox.jar into plugins directly get
the plugin entries in the "LSM Toolbox" submenu, but dropping into
plugins/Input-Output makes the plugin entries appear in the "Input-Output"
submenu instead.

2) Another option would be to "page" the Plugins list. For every (e.g.) 50
menu entries, a "more plugins" submenu could be added. If you had a
ridiculous number of plugins this scheme could get very clunky -- to get the
210th plugin entry would require navigating through three "more plugins"
entries first -- but it would prevent plugins from becoming inaccessible.

Both of these schemes have the advantage that no changes are needed in any
of the existing plugins' JAR bundles. I prefer option #1 -- the only
downside is that the subfolders are currently being used to conceptually
organize certain plugins (e.g., "Input-Output/QuickTime_Plugins.jar") that
do not (and presumably should not) appear in that subfolder.

-Curtis

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Gabriel Landini <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On Tuesday 29 April 2008 08:53:01 Patrick Pirrotte wrote:
> > New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.
>
> That is a very nice. Many thanks for keep updating these.
>
> I have a somehow unrelated comment and not a really a criticism to the LSM
> Toolbox, but some suggestion/question about the plugins.config files in
> the
> jars.
>
> I am getting a too crowded Plugins entry list and in linux, for some
> reason
> the submenus cannot be scrolled, while in the macs and win they can.
>
> One hasn't got many options:
> * Have less plugins :-) (not really)
>
> * Have another level of submenus (I mentioned it to Wayne some time ago,
> but I
> can't remember why this was not a good idea)
>
> * Regroup them in a smaller number of categories (what I am doing).
> However
> many plugins packed in jars have already a coded entry in the
> plugins.config
> file of the jar.
>
> Of course this can be edited and I have resorted to do this with some
> jars I
> want to keep installed without adding new entries. However, when a plugin
> is
> updated one has to go back and edit the config file again and it becomes a
> bit tedious.
>
> I would like to suggest *not* adding a new entries, but suggest them while
> keeping those empty, so users can create these by adding a new folder
> where
> the jars can be dropped. If one drops these in an already existing folder,
> the entries would appear there.
>
> Ideally we could agree some categories following those in Wayne's site. I
> think it is not very useful to have a new entry which expands to just a
> further branch or 1 or 2.
> For those interested, I read the other day that on average that the
> theoretical minimum number of choices can be achieved using a ternary
> tree,
> but this is not the problem here, it is just a too large list of root
> categories with few branches after it.
>
> Anyway, what I do is that instead of having in the plugins.config :
> Plugins>LSM Toolbox, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>
> I put:
> Plugins, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>
> Now the jar file can be dropped anywhere. If one wants to create a custom
> Plugins hierarchy, this can be don by using folder names where the jars
> are
> put.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gabriel
>

Wayne Rasband

Re: new releases: LSMToolbox 4.0d and LSM_Reader 4.0d

To reduce the size of the Plugins menu, ImageJ 1.41b implements Curtis'
option #1, but only for JAR files with fewer than six plugins.config
entries. Drop LSM_Toolbox.jar into the plugins/Input-Output folder and
you get "LSM_Toolbox: About/Help LSM Toolbox" and "LSM_Toolbox: Show
LSM Toolbox" commands in the Plugins>Input-Output submenu. Drop it
directory into the plugins folder and you get an "LSM Toolbox" submenu
as before. In addition, single plugins distributed as ZIP archives
(e.g., Straighten and TurboReg) are now installed in a "Miscellaneous"
submenu.

To upgrade to v1.41b, use the Plugins>Utilities>Update ImageJ command
and select "daily build" from the drop down menu.

-wayne

On May 1, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Curtis Rueden wrote:

> Hi Gabriel,
>
> Anyway, what I do is that instead of having in the plugins.config :
>> Plugins>LSM Toolbox, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>>
>> I put:
>> Plugins, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>>
>
> As a packager of plugins, I would not want to make such a change
> because
> most naive users will just drop the file into the plugins folder
> directly
> and get a large number of new entries in the base Plugins menu. And
> inevitably someone will complain "why don't you group them in a
> subfolder"?
> :-)
>
> But at the ImageJ level, there are a couple of changes that could
> solve the
> issue:
>
> 1) If a JAR file is in the root plugins folder, and has a
> plugins.config
> specifies a submenu name, that submenu name is used as before. But if
> a JAR
> file is in a subfolder of the plugins folder, the plugins.config's
> submenu
> name (if any) is ignored and instead the name of the subfolder is
> used. That
> way, for example, users who drop LSM_Toolbox.jar into plugins directly
> get
> the plugin entries in the "LSM Toolbox" submenu, but dropping into
> plugins/Input-Output makes the plugin entries appear in the
> "Input-Output"
> submenu instead.
>
> 2) Another option would be to "page" the Plugins list. For every
> (e.g.) 50
> menu entries, a "more plugins" submenu could be added. If you had a
> ridiculous number of plugins this scheme could get very clunky -- to
> get the
> 210th plugin entry would require navigating through three "more
> plugins"
> entries first -- but it would prevent plugins from becoming
> inaccessible.
>
> Both of these schemes have the advantage that no changes are needed in
> any
> of the existing plugins' JAR bundles. I prefer option #1 -- the only
> downside is that the subfolders are currently being used to
> conceptually
> organize certain plugins (e.g., "Input-Output/QuickTime_Plugins.jar")
> that
> do not (and presumably should not) appear in that subfolder.
>
> -Curtis
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Gabriel Landini <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 29 April 2008 08:53:01 Patrick Pirrotte wrote:
>>> New releases of the LSM_Toolbox and LSM_Reader are available.
>>
>> That is a very nice. Many thanks for keep updating these.
>>
>> I have a somehow unrelated comment and not a really a criticism to
>> the LSM
>> Toolbox, but some suggestion/question about the plugins.config files
>> in
>> the
>> jars.
>>
>> I am getting a too crowded Plugins entry list and in linux, for some
>> reason
>> the submenus cannot be scrolled, while in the macs and win they can.
>>
>> One hasn't got many options:
>> * Have less plugins :-) (not really)
>>
>> * Have another level of submenus (I mentioned it to Wayne some time
>> ago,
>> but I
>> can't remember why this was not a good idea)
>>
>> * Regroup them in a smaller number of categories (what I am doing).
>> However
>> many plugins packed in jars have already a coded entry in the
>> plugins.config
>> file of the jar.
>>
>> Of course this can be edited and I have resorted to do this with some
>> jars I
>> want to keep installed without adding new entries. However, when a
>> plugin
>> is
>> updated one has to go back and edit the config file again and it
>> becomes a
>> bit tedious.
>>
>> I would like to suggest *not* adding a new entries, but suggest them
>> while
>> keeping those empty, so users can create these by adding a new folder
>> where
>> the jars can be dropped. If one drops these in an already existing
>> folder,
>> the entries would appear there.
>>
>> Ideally we could agree some categories following those in Wayne's
>> site. I
>> think it is not very useful to have a new entry which expands to just
>> a
>> further branch or 1 or 2.
>> For those interested, I read the other day that on average that the
>> theoretical minimum number of choices can be achieved using a ternary
>> tree,
>> but this is not the problem here, it is just a too large list of root
>> categories with few branches after it.
>>
>> Anyway, what I do is that instead of having in the plugins.config :
>> Plugins>LSM Toolbox, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>>
>> I put:
>> Plugins, "Show LSMToolbox", LSM_Toolbox("")
>>
>> Now the jar file can be dropped anywhere. If one wants to create a
>> custom
>> Plugins hierarchy, this can be don by using folder names where the
>> jars
>> are
>> put.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gabriel
>>
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