http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/Threats-on-Mac-OSX-Java-tp3685971p3685976.html
I have hopes that this will be the best thing to happen to Java on the Mac. Perhaps we'll see the Mac release keeping more up to date once this all gets under way.
Oracle's plans for Java look quite exciting too, especially JVM support for other/new languages.
> Just to keep the list informed: it seems that we will have a happy ending !
>
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html>
> Christophe
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 01:51, Curtis Rueden <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael & Christophe,
>>
>> I'm an ImageJ developer and for some time been concerned about Apple's
>>> apparent lack of commitment to Java (no support for iPhone or iPad) and
>>> Oracle's acquisition of Sun.
>>>
>>
>> I agree that the lack of Java on iPhone and iPad is unfortunate. However, I
>> believe it is premature to worry about Java's future. As others have
>> pointed
>> out, Oracle seems generally committed to Java's future.
>>
>> Anyone know if there are any for 3rd party JVMs planned for Apple OS-X?
>>>
>>
>> Yep, OpenJDK 7 (if that counts as 3rd party) works on Mac OS X. And after
>> this news about Apple discontinuing direct Java support, I'm guessing we'll
>> see a push from the community to make it work really well.
>>
>> Anyone know what are the alternatives to Java easy cross platform
>>> development?
>>>
>>
>> For desktop applications, the main alternatives I have seen are Python
>> (easy), C++ (fast), or a combination of the two (can be both!). For
>> example,
>> CellProfiler 2.0 is written in Python and makes use of standard native
>> libraries such as NumPy and SciPy for fast numerical processing.
>>
>> For web applications (which are often cross-platform, of course) there are
>> many more choices, including Python, Ruby, AJAX, PHP, Flex, Perl... the
>> list
>> goes on.
>>
>> Anyone know what Oracle's commitment to Java is?
>>>
>>
>> It is worth noting that Python and Ruby have gotten extremely popular
>> entirely without corporate sponsorship (as far as I know), and follow open
>> source design principles. Now that Java is open source as well, and already
>> extremely popular (see
http://www.langpop.com/ for some statistics), it
>> seems unlikely that Oracle could kill Java even if it tried. More likely is
>> that Java will eventually be outcompeted by some other language, but I
>> think
>> that is many years in coming.
>>
>> Anyone know about the intentions for ImageJ (or what ever may replace it)
>>> should Java go poof in a cloud of roasted coffee bean scented smoke?
>>>
>>
>> Hypothetically, we could reimplement ImageJ using one of the options listed
>> above. But realistically it just won't happen. Even if there was some huge
>> patent scandal surrounding Java that no one saw coming, most likely someone
>> would just receive a big settlement from someone else and Java development
>> would continue. There is simply too much enterprise code depending on it
>> for
>> it to be otherwise. If you don't believe me, think back to the Y2K bug:
>> even
>> though COBOL had been "dead" for years, suddenly a bunch of COBOL
>> programmers were needed to fix all the code still in production.
>>
>> If anything, I think Java on Mac OS X will get better. As Steve Jobs said
>> in
>> response to their decision:
>>
>> Sun (now Oracle) supplies Java for all other platforms. They have their own
>> release schedules, which are almost always different than ours, so the Java
>> we ship is always a version behind. This may not be the best way to do it.
>>
>> Maybe we'll finally have an up-to-date JVM on the Mac now.
>>
>> -Curtis
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM,
[hidden email] <
>>
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Christophe ,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this. I'm an ImageJ developer and for some time been
>>> concerned about Apple's apparent lack of commitment to Java (no support
>> for
>>> iPhone or iPad) and Oracle's acquisition of Sun.
>>>
>>> Anyone know if there are any for 3rd party JVMs planned for Apple OS-X?
>>>
>>> Anyone know what Oracle's commitment to Java is?
>>>
>>> Anyone know about the intentions for ImageJ (or what ever may replace it)
>>> should Java go poof in a cloud of roasted coffee bean scented smoke?
>>>
>>> Anyone know what are the alternatives to Java easy cross platform
>>> development?
>>>
>>> -- Michael Ellis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2010, at 15:17, Christophe Leterrier wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just read an article about the notes accompanying today's Java
>>>> update for Mac OSX :
>>>>
>>>
>> <a href="http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-SW1">http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-SW1
>>>>
>>>> The first paragraph reads :
>>>>
>>>> Java Deprecation
>>>> As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of
>>>> Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is
>>>> deprecated.
>>>> This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at
>>>> the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X.
>>>> The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X
>>>> 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the
>>>> standard support cycles of those products.
>>>>
>>>> I know this list is more oriented toward ImageJ use, but I'm worrying
>>>> about the future of Java (given Oracle's acquisition of Sun and its
>>>> attitude towards projects such as Open Office), and specially on the
>>>> mac platform, which I use primarily, given the evolution of Apple
>>>> attitude (plus they won't allow Java apps in their "App Store" that
>>>> will ship with OSX 10.7). As I'm not a Java developer, I just wanted
>>>> to forward the info to generate thoughts about that potential problem.
>>>>
>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>