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Re: trouble specifying a ROI in ROI Manager

Posted by Hugo A. M. Torres on Feb 14, 2009; 4:07pm
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Hi Wayne,

Thanks for helping me with that. I can understand from that code you are
doing exactly what I said, namely compute a square of sides whose length
 is the square root of the triangle's area.

Yet, If I measure the area of the resulting triangle, it is actually
somewhat smaller than the triangle's.

So maybe Joris was right about  the area being measured only inside the
selection's boundaries discounting the pixels of the border?

Hugo

On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:56 -0500, Wayne Rasband wrote:

> Here is a macro that creates a square selection that has the same area
> as an existing selection.
>
>    getSelectionBounds(x, y, width, height);
>    getRawStatistics(area);
>    size = sqrt(area);
>    x2 = x + width/2 - size/2;
>    y2 = y + height/2 - size/2;
>    makeRectangle(x2, y2, size, size);
>
> -wayne
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Hugo A. M. Torres wrote:
>
> > I tried that, didn't work. Maybe I am still having rounding issues
> > because of the area being reported in micrometers.
> >
> > I am not experienced in writing macros, but would it be possible at
> > least in principle to write a macro that specifies a square ROI
> > according to an area value input?
> >
> > Hugo
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 13:41 +0100, joris meys wrote:
> >> Ah, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
> >>
> >> As far as I understand, the ROI measures inside its boundaries,
> >> boundary not
> >> included. So in fact you should extend the length and width of the
> >> ROI with
> >> 2 pixels if you want to have a square that covers the same area. I'm
> >> not
> >> 100% sure about this, but it might be worth a try.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Joris
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Hugo A. M. Torres
> >> <[hidden email]>wrote:
> >>
> >>> No Joris, I understand what you are saying, but the problem is the
> >>> first
> >>> ROI (used to measure the nucleus I am interested in) has a triangular
> >>> shape, which will not fit in the background area unless I make it
> >>> into a
> >>> square of the same area as the triangle. Now, this should be very
> >>> straightforward: just draw a square with sides whose lenght is the
> >>> square root of the triangle area. It doesn't work if I use a
> >>> calculator,
> >>> possibly because of rounding issues, I don't know.
> >>>
> >>> I always get a smaller area in um^2 if I do this by hand. So I was
> >>> wandering if it is possible to specify a square ROI by area value.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Tganks
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 11:08 +0100, joris meys wrote:
> >>>> The measurements should be fairly simple with the ROI manager. Just
> >>>> click
> >>> on
> >>>> the roi you specified earlier, and drag it to where you want to
> >>>> measure.
> >>>> First click "Add", because otherwise the ROI manager will measure
> >>>> at the
> >>>> previous position. That should give you the results you want.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> Joris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Hugo A. M. Torres
> >>>> <[hidden email]
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello listmates,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am trying to perform densitometry measurements according to this
> >>>>> method:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The nucleus was encircled by free-hand drawing of a border around
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> outermost mRNA-expressing cells in the nucleus. The mean density
> >>>>> and
> >>> the
> >>>>> area of the selection were measured. The mean density of the
> >>>>> background
> >>>>> was measured from a rectangular area of corresponding size in the
> >>>>> immediate vicinity of the nucleus. The mean density of the
> >>>>> background
> >>>>> was subtracted from the mean density of the nucleus and..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, the problem is I can't specify a ROI of the same area of the
> >>>>> place
> >>>>> I measured previously. I tried taking the square root of the area
> >>> (given
> >>>>> in um^2) and specifying a square ROI with sides of this length but
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> resulting area measured is always smaller!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is it possible to specify a square ROI by inputing  an area value
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> square micrometers?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Hugo Arruda de Moura Torres
> >>>>> ==================================
> >>>>> Departamento de Biofísica
> >>>>> Universidade Federal de São Paulo
> >>>>> Rua Botucatu 862 7o. andar
> >>>>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >>
> >
--
Hugo Arruda de Moura Torres
==================================
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