Re: Improving Particle Analyzer accuracy

Posted by wirthvolker on
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/Improving-Particle-Analyzer-accuracy-tp4999626p4999636.html

Hi,
you can easily check whether the count makes sense, if you display the
outlines of the counted particles (Show: Overlay Outlines). If you
compare this to your original image, you might be able to identify the
problem.
To remove noise "particles", you could try the Gaussian filter
(Process-Filters-Gaussian Blur). The preview option allows to check
whether you kill small particles by that.
Best regards,
Volker

2012/8/2 Matthew Moore <[hidden email]>:

> On 01/08/12 11:22, Gabriel Landini wrote:
>> On Wednesday 01 Aug 2012 10:35:03 Matthew Moore wrote:
>>> On low DPI images, saved straight to jpg, imagej consistently comes well
>>> under manual counts.  On high DPI images, saved to tiff and then
>>> converted (on max settings) to jpgs (so imagej can load them), imagej
>>> consistently counts higher than the manual counts.
>> Shouldn't the amount of ram to hold the loaded image be the same regardless of
>> the format that is stored in?
>> But you can improve accuracy in the representation of your image data by not
>> using lossy formats (like lossy jpeg).
>
> The loading issue was that imagej wouldn't read the tiff created by
> xsane (which I'm using for the scanning).  I've converted the tiffs from
> xsane into a tif with no compression and imagej loads them fine now.
>
>> Do you see where the the differences are? for example do you detect too many 1
>> pixel regions? Is that noise or data? Have you tried different segmentation
>> methods? Do they converge?
>
> The main problem is that the 'Make binary' that you have to use before
> running the particle analyzer introduces lots of noise into the image,
> so it picks up lots of false positives.
>
>>> Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can improve accuracy?  I've spent
>>> a while trying different pixel^2 and circularity settings.  I'm using
>>> the version of imagej from the ubuntu repositories (1.44i).
>> Without more details it is difficult to know what is going on, but I would be
>> willing to bet it is not the particle analyzer accuracy, but the segmentation
>> approach used.
>>
>> You would benefit from the constant bug fixing. Latest ij.jar is 1.47b6 (the
>> daily build).
>
> I'm sorry, but I've no idea what segmentation approach I'm using.  Not
> entirely sure what you mean there (and not been able to figure it out
> from the docs).  The dots are quite obvious really, it's a plain white
> piece of paper with black blobs on it.
>
> I'll certainly try the latest daily.
>
> Thanks,
>
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