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Re: A formal question re ImageJ2

Posted by Mark Hiner on Nov 18, 2014; 1:34pm
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/creating-a-real-blank-image-tp5010383p5010521.html

Hi Herbie,

> At least for plain ImageJ2 (as defined in my original post) we should see
an access point for the required copyright and license notice, especially
concerning [year], [fullname].

I added a new section
<http://imagej.net/Licensing#Developers:_How_to_use_this_page> to the
http://imagej.net/Licensing page, which I hope will make the whole page
easier to use. I don't think it was clear that the 4th column of the table
(which I renamed to "License text") links to the actual LICENSE.txt that
should be distributed by projects using these libraries.

I suspect you did the same thing I just did, followed the "BSD-2" link in
the 3rd column, and ended up at the choosealicense site - which just has
license templates and instructions for their use.

Anyway, I hope that the Licensing page can now fully answer your questions.
Please let us know if anything is still unclear - this feedback is very
helpful to getting things properly documented on the wiki.

Best,
Mark

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Herbie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dear Curtis and Stephan!
>
> More to the point:
>
> Let's assume that one writes an IJ2-PlugIn that calls IJ2-routines.
> The IJ2-PlugIn is _not_ "Open Source" and is being sold.
>
> 1.
> According to
> "[...] wrap the licensed code [IJ2-routines], parts of it, or binary
> distributions of it, in open source as well as closed source commercial
> projects."
> this is allowed by the "BSD-2 license of ImageJ2".
>
> 2.
> Is there a _single_ copyright/license notice for all core routines (as
> defined in my original post) of plain ImageJ2?
> In other words, is it sufficient to make the text at
>         <http://choosealicense.com/licenses/bsd-2-clause/>
> accessible?
> If yes, what do we need to fill in for [year], [fullname] ?
>
> 3.
> Is there more than the text at
>         <http://choosealicense.com/licenses/bsd-2-clause/>
> that needs to be made accessible?
>
> At least for plain ImageJ2 (as defined in my original post) we should see
> an access point for the required copyright and license notice, especially
> concerning [year], [fullname].
> Evidently, the page <http://imagej.net/BSD>, as it deals with various
> licenses, is not quite to the point.
>
> Thanks for your steady help!
>
> Best regards
>
> Herbie
>
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> On 17.11.14 19:22, Curtis Rueden wrote:
>
>> Hi Herbie,
>>
>>  I hope that you are right with "sell"...
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this was one of the central reasons for choosing BSD-2 as the license
>> for ImageJ2 etc.
>>
>>     http://stackoverflow.com/q/4397864
>>
>> For further reading, see:
>>      http://opensource.com/law/13/8/motivation-free-software-licensing
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Herbie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  Many thanks Stephan,
>>>
>>> for clarifying the issue a bit.
>>>
>>> I hope that you are right with "sell"...
>>>
>>> Isn't a copyright always a restriction of the right to copy?
>>> To make a notice accessible, appears to be something different--no?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Herbie
>>>
>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>
>>> On 17.11.14 18:02, Stephan Saalfeld wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Herbie,
>>>>
>>>> `fundamentally different' is a very vague and bold statement and as such
>>>> prone to misinterpretation by those less familiar with the topic.  I
>>>> therefore feel urged to clarify:
>>>>
>>>> The only difference between the licenses of ImageJ1 and ImageJ2 is that
>>>> you cannot claim that you wrote ImageJ2, but you can claim that you
>>>> wrote ImageJ1.
>>>>
>>>> With both licenses you can use, modify, give away, sell, wrap the
>>>> licensed code, parts of it, or binary distributions of it, in open
>>>> source as well as closed source commercial projects.  No constraints.
>>>>
>>>> The exact difference between the two licenses is that ImageJ2 requires
>>>> you to retain that copyright notice and make this information accessible
>>>> for those consuming your derived work, i.e. give minimal virtual kudos
>>>> to those who developed ImageJ2.  I, personally, would spare
>>>> `fundamental' for something more `fundamental'.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 10:51 +0100, Herbie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Many thanks Curtis!
>>>>>
>>>>> The <http://imagej.net/Licensing> overview is very helpful to get an
>>>>> impression. However, the footnote regarding ImagJ1 is less clear but it
>>>>> explains why...
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the license of ImagJ1 and that of ImagJ2 are fundamentally
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again and best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Herbie
>>>>>
>>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>>> On 15.11.14 00:02, Curtis Rueden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Herbie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I need to know whether plain ImageJ2 (not Fiji with its additional
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> plugins) is open source in exactly the same legal sense as plain
>>>>>>> ImageJ1?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like most of the SciJava software projects [1], ImageJ2 uses the
>>>>>> Simplified
>>>>>> BSD License [2], one of the most popular permissive OSS licenses. It
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> only one stipulation: that derivative works retain the copyright
>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>> for purposes of provenance tracking and citation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have been very careful to track the origin of all source code in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> projects, including dependencies, to ensure that all stated licenses
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> indeed valid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following newly minted wiki page summarizes everything, including
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> discussion of ImageJ 1.x's copyright status:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * http://imagej.net/Licensing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These pages may be informative as well:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * http://choosealicense.com/
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_
>>>>>> the_U.S._government
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://imagej.net/SciJava
>>>>>> [2] http://imagej.net/BSD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Herbie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Dear Curtis and those who are in the know,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for good reasons I need to know whether plain ImageJ2 (not Fiji with
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> additional plugins) is open source in exactly the same legal sense as
>>>>>>> plain
>>>>>>> ImageJ1?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With "plain ImageJ2" I mean the software that provides about the same
>>>>>>> functionality as ImageJ1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herbie
>>>>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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