http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/creating-a-real-blank-image-tp5010383p5010524.html
Mark's new section does answer all your questions. Please read the articles
Understood. The wiki says: "If you are writing code (open source or not)
> BSD licenses. Hence it isn't really a BSD-2 link.
The wiki is community editable. Feel free to improve the documentation if
All of this software (except ImageJ1) uses standard OSS licenses. Thus,
your questions are not specific to ImageJ. Furthermore, none of the people
> Sorry Mark,
>
> but this is not what I had in mind.
>
> Please read my previous post thoroughly and you will recognize the
> problems and my questions 1., 2., and 3.
> And please note that I did _not_ consider the use of IJ2 for "Open Source"
> projects.
>
> Only one example:
> The BSD-2 link <
http://imagej.net/BSD-2> does concern BSD-2 but it also
> deals with other BSD licenses. Hence it isn't really a BSD-2 link.
>
> etc.
>
> etc.
>
> Best regards
>
> Herbie
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> On 18.11.14 14:34, Mark Hiner wrote:
>
>> Hi Herbie,
>>
>> At least for plain ImageJ2 (as defined in my original post) we should see
>>>
>> an access point for the required copyright and license notice, especially
>> concerning [year], [fullname].
>>
>> I added a new section
>> <
http://imagej.net/Licensing#Developers:_How_to_use_this_page> to the
>>
http://imagej.net/Licensing page, which I hope will make the whole page
>> easier to use. I don't think it was clear that the 4th column of the table
>> (which I renamed to "License text") links to the actual LICENSE.txt that
>> should be distributed by projects using these libraries.
>>
>> I suspect you did the same thing I just did, followed the "BSD-2" link in
>> the 3rd column, and ended up at the choosealicense site - which just has
>> license templates and instructions for their use.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope that the Licensing page can now fully answer your
>> questions.
>> Please let us know if anything is still unclear - this feedback is very
>> helpful to getting things properly documented on the wiki.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Herbie <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Curtis and Stephan!
>>>
>>> More to the point:
>>>
>>> Let's assume that one writes an IJ2-PlugIn that calls IJ2-routines.
>>> The IJ2-PlugIn is _not_ "Open Source" and is being sold.
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> According to
>>> "[...] wrap the licensed code [IJ2-routines], parts of it, or binary
>>> distributions of it, in open source as well as closed source commercial
>>> projects."
>>> this is allowed by the "BSD-2 license of ImageJ2".
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> Is there a _single_ copyright/license notice for all core routines (as
>>> defined in my original post) of plain ImageJ2?
>>> In other words, is it sufficient to make the text at
>>> <
http://choosealicense.com/licenses/bsd-2-clause/>
>>> accessible?
>>> If yes, what do we need to fill in for [year], [fullname] ?
>>>
>>> 3.
>>> Is there more than the text at
>>> <
http://choosealicense.com/licenses/bsd-2-clause/>
>>> that needs to be made accessible?
>>>
>>> At least for plain ImageJ2 (as defined in my original post) we should see
>>> an access point for the required copyright and license notice, especially
>>> concerning [year], [fullname].
>>> Evidently, the page <
http://imagej.net/BSD>, as it deals with various
>>> licenses, is not quite to the point.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your steady help!
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Herbie
>>>
>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>
>>> On 17.11.14 19:22, Curtis Rueden wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Herbie,
>>>>
>>>> I hope that you are right with "sell"...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, this was one of the central reasons for choosing BSD-2 as the
>>>> license
>>>> for ImageJ2 etc.
>>>>
>>>>
http://stackoverflow.com/q/4397864>>>>
>>>> For further reading, see:
>>>>
http://opensource.com/law/13/8/motivation-free-software-licensing>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Curtis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Herbie <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks Stephan,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> for clarifying the issue a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that you are right with "sell"...
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't a copyright always a restriction of the right to copy?
>>>>> To make a notice accessible, appears to be something different--no?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Herbie
>>>>>
>>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17.11.14 18:02, Stephan Saalfeld wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Herbie,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `fundamentally different' is a very vague and bold statement and as
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> prone to misinterpretation by those less familiar with the topic. I
>>>>>> therefore feel urged to clarify:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only difference between the licenses of ImageJ1 and ImageJ2 is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you cannot claim that you wrote ImageJ2, but you can claim that you
>>>>>> wrote ImageJ1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With both licenses you can use, modify, give away, sell, wrap the
>>>>>> licensed code, parts of it, or binary distributions of it, in open
>>>>>> source as well as closed source commercial projects. No constraints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The exact difference between the two licenses is that ImageJ2 requires
>>>>>> you to retain that copyright notice and make this information
>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>> for those consuming your derived work, i.e. give minimal virtual kudos
>>>>>> to those who developed ImageJ2. I, personally, would spare
>>>>>> `fundamental' for something more `fundamental'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Stephan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 10:51 +0100, Herbie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks Curtis!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The <
http://imagej.net/Licensing> overview is very helpful to get an
>>>>>>> impression. However, the footnote regarding ImagJ1 is less clear but
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> explains why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, the license of ImagJ1 and that of ImagJ2 are
>>>>>>> fundamentally
>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again and best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herbie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>>>>> On 15.11.14 00:02, Curtis Rueden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Herbie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need to know whether plain ImageJ2 (not Fiji with its
>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> plugins) is open source in exactly the same legal sense as plain
>>>>>>>>> ImageJ1?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like most of the SciJava software projects [1], ImageJ2 uses the
>>>>>>>> Simplified
>>>>>>>> BSD License [2], one of the most popular permissive OSS licenses. It
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> only one stipulation: that derivative works retain the copyright
>>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>>> for purposes of provenance tracking and citation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have been very careful to track the origin of all source code in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> projects, including dependencies, to ensure that all stated licenses
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> indeed valid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The following newly minted wiki page summarizes everything,
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> discussion of ImageJ 1.x's copyright status:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
http://imagej.net/Licensing>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These pages may be informative as well:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
http://choosealicense.com/>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_>>>>>>>> the_U.S._government
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
http://imagej.net/SciJava>>>>>>>> [2]
http://imagej.net/BSD>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Herbie <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Curtis and those who are in the know,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for good reasons I need to know whether plain ImageJ2 (not Fiji
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> additional plugins) is open source in exactly the same legal sense
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> plain
>>>>>>>>> ImageJ1?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With "plain ImageJ2" I mean the software that provides about the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> functionality as ImageJ1.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herbie
>>>>>>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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