Re: validation for Helsinki committee

Posted by Albert Cardona-2 on Dec 24, 2015; 4:27pm
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/validation-for-Helsinki-committee-tp5015279p5015286.html

Aryeh,

I'd argue that Fiji, being under version control, and java also being under
version control, enables the researcher to fix the application at a
specific version and, with tests designed for that version, forever produce
the same results. And, by virtue of being open source, assert this
reproducibility in the strongest terms possible by being able to analyze
the source code implementing the relevant computations, even checksum it to
guarantee identity and lack of tinkering over time.

The push to reproducible builts by ImageJ2 developers goes into
facilitating this even further. It's all part of the general movement of
reproducible science.

Best,

Albert

2015-12-24 10:41 GMT-05:00 Kenneth Sloan <[hidden email]>:

> Ah - so…this is local Institutional Review Board.  The papers in the
> literature are probably asserting that the research conformed to the
> Declaration of Helsinki - that’s different.
>
> IRB’s ask all sorts of questions, some justified and some not.  If the
> calculations done by FIJI affect patient (or human subject) care, they it’s
> a legitimate question.  If not, not (in my opinion).  One might as well ask
> if the Java compiler is validated.
>
> Usually these sorts of questions creep in because some commercial package
> *has* been “validated” and there is pressure applied to insist that
> everyone in the institution use the same package.  Usually, it’s not
> legitimate - but that doesn’t mean that it can be ignored.
> Usually, you have to write a few sentences in response, and good judgement
> prevails.
>
> Usually…
>
>
> --
> Kenneth Sloan
> [hidden email]
> Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others.
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 24, 2015, at 09:01 , Aryeh Weiss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On 24/12/2015 3:20 PM, Kenneth Sloan wrote:
> >> Are you talking about the local Israeli IRB (“Helsinki Committee”), or
> the “Declaration of Helsinki”?
> > I believe that it is the IRB of the Shiba Medical Center.
> >
> > --aryeh
> >
> >> I think they are connected, but they are not the same.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kenneth Sloan
> >> [hidden email]
> >> Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 24, 2015, at 02:46 , Aryeh Weiss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A Helsinki committee has asked whether FIji/ImageJ have "validation".
> >>> This issue was raised a some years ago in this thread:
> >>>
> https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0802&L=IMAGEJ&P=R10971&1=IMAGEJ&9=A&I=-3&J=on&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4
> >>>
> >>> I see that ImageJ is used in many publications which contain
> statements of compliance with  Helsinki committee guidelines.
> >>> My question is,   has anyone on the list received such a request , and
> if so, how did you respond?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>> --aryeh
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Aryeh Weiss
> >>> Faculty of Engineering
> >>> Bar Ilan University
> >>> Ramat Gan 52900 Israel
> >>>
> >>> Ph:  972-3-5317638
> >>> FAX: [phone]
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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