Posted by
Aryeh Weiss on
Dec 24, 2015; 7:37pm
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/validation-for-Helsinki-committee-tp5015279p5015287.html
Hi Albert and Kenneth,
Thanks for your replies.
On 24/12/2015 6:27 PM, Albert Cardona wrote:
> Aryeh,
>
> I'd argue that Fiji, being under version control, and java also being
> under version control, enables the researcher to fix the application
> at a specific version and, with tests designed for that version,
> forever produce the same results. And, by virtue of being open source,
> assert this reproducibility in the strongest terms possible by being
> able to analyze the source code implementing the relevant
> computations, even checksum it to guarantee identity and lack of
> tinkering over time.
>
I will pass this on, although the people asking about this probably dont
know anything about version control.
> The push to reproducible builts by ImageJ2 developers goes into
> facilitating this even further. It's all part of the general movement
> of reproducible science.
>
> Best,
>
> Albert
>
> 2015-12-24 10:41 GMT-05:00 Kenneth Sloan <
[hidden email]
> <mailto:
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>
> Ah - so…this is local Institutional Review Board. The papers in
> the literature are probably asserting that the research conformed
> to the Declaration of Helsinki - that’s different.
>
> IRB’s ask all sorts of questions, some justified and some not. If
> the calculations done by FIJI affect patient (or human subject)
> care, they it’s a legitimate question. If not, not (in my
> opinion). One might as well ask if the Java compiler is validated.
>
> Usually these sorts of questions creep in because some commercial
> package *has* been “validated” and there is pressure applied to
> insist that everyone in the institution use the same package.
> Usually, it’s not legitimate - but that doesn’t mean that it can
> be ignored.
> Usually, you have to write a few sentences in response, and good
> judgement prevails.
>
> Usually…
>
I am reasonably sure that this is not directly connected to patient
care. It is basic research.
One of the papers that used ImageJ was written by a group who are at the
same med school as my son, so I hope that will do the job.
The main question is whether they will insist on something formal.
--aryeh
>
> --
> Kenneth Sloan
>
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> Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others.
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 24, 2015, at 09:01 , Aryeh Weiss <
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> >
> > On 24/12/2015 3:20 PM, Kenneth Sloan wrote:
> >> Are you talking about the local Israeli IRB (“Helsinki
> Committee”), or the “Declaration of Helsinki”?
> > I believe that it is the IRB of the Shiba Medical Center.
> >
> > --aryeh
> >
> >> I think they are connected, but they are not the same.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kenneth Sloan
> >>
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> >> Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 24, 2015, at 02:46 , Aryeh Weiss <
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> <mailto:
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> >>>
> >>> A Helsinki committee has asked whether FIji/ImageJ have
> "validation".
> >>> This issue was raised a some years ago in this thread:
> >>>
>
https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0802&L=IMAGEJ&P=R10971&1=IMAGEJ&9=A&I=-3&J=on&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4> >>>
> >>> I see that ImageJ is used in many publications which contain
> statements of compliance with Helsinki committee guidelines.
> >>> My question is, has anyone on the list received such a
> request , and if so, how did you respond?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>> --aryeh
> >>>
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