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Re: measuring fasciular length inside/outside image - posted previously now has image

Posted by Herbie on Jan 05, 2017; 7:11pm
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/measuring-fasciular-length-inside-outside-image-posted-previously-now-has-image-tp5017840p5017844.html

Dear Simon,

you write:

"If it is not possible in ImageJ to measure outside the image"...

...but you don't tell us what exactly you would like to measure and what
the meaning of the yellow line is and how it is constructed.

It is no problem to enlarge the image canvas. But does it help with your
processing that I don't understand?

And please use terms that can be understood by people who are not in
your field.

Tell us how you construct the lines and how you would like to determine
the intersection etc.

If you have the definition of the lines, you can determine their
intersection without drawing them outside the image. Just do the math.

Best

Herbie

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Am 05.01.17 um 19:59 schrieb Simon Locke:

> Good morning Herbie.
>
> Thanks for replying.  As you realised this is a cross post mainly
> because I could not "copy and paste" images into the blog.  This is a
> direct consequence of my capacities - sorry.
>
> However, If it is not possible in ImageJ to measure outside the image
> as the yellow line indicates, then it is wasting everyone's time to
> look at the next question  which is drawing 2 lines that intersect
> outside the image.  Angles are easy but I have not been able to
> measure a line that starts inside the image and extends beyond the
> image.
>
> So if it is simply not possible to measure then I need to find
> another way to measure FL in muscles - trigonometry is well described
> as well as using multiple US transducers.  But if it is possible then
> I may need to ask the next question which is simply multiple lines
> (done) and determining the intersection point outside the image.
>
> I am limited to using the program as I do not have script skills.
>
> Measuring FL requires tracing the fascicles along its length until it
> intersects with the aponeurosis either deep or superficial depending
> on choice.  There are a number of assumptions here but the error is
> minimal and consistent.
>
> Again thanks for your reply.  I do enjoy reading the enormous
> material that comes with this community even outside my field.
>
> Regards Simon
>
> Simon Locke Sport and Exercise Medicine Physician 176 Barnard st.,
> Bendigo P: 61354425288 W: www.sportmovementcentre.com Sent from my
> iPad
>
>> On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:52 am, Herbie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Good day Simon Locke,
>>
>> this is a cross-post from the Forum.
>>
>> Evidently you could post some images here but without careful
>> description they appear worthless.
>>
>> If you want help, then please be more specific about the desired
>> task and about the example images.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Herbie
>>
>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>> Am 05.01.17 um 03:32 schrieb Simon Locke:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Is it possible using ImageJ to measure length of a fascicle
>>> and continue the measurement outside the image?
>>>
>>> Sometimes the fascicles sampled during US scanning extend beyond
>>> the image. It is possible to measure this using trigonometric
>>> principles. I would prefer to be able to measure the FL in real
>>> time from its intercept with either superficial or deep
>>> aponeurosis. I have attached a copy of a relevant muscle.
>>>
>>> I have tried to add a relevant image but cannot do so here. I
>>> would appreciate any thoughts. Thank you for looking and I will
>>> repeat this in email with image
>>>
>>> Regards Simon Locke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Simon Locke
>>>
>>> MBBS BMedSc FACSP FFSEM(UK) FRACGP
>>>
>>> Sport and Exercise Medicine Physician
>>>
>>> Bendigo Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic
>>>
>>> 176 Barnard st., Bendigo, Victoria, 3550
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> W:sportmovementcentre.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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