Re: What does ImageJ stand for?

Posted by Fred Damen on
URL: http://imagej.273.s1.nabble.com/What-does-ImageJ-stand-for-tp5024714p5024727.html

Greetings,

To be pedantic, there are no Linux distributions called "Linux" and
generally for those who don't know the difference between a kernel and a
distribution it would not help the resolution to their issue to know this.

Since I only use ImageJ, i.e., ImageJ1, I get frustrated when searching
for new things or resolutions to problems to find out the hard /
embarrassing way that what I found was specifically for FIJI and not
ImageJ1.  I find quite often, the FIJI documentation referred to itself as
ImageJ and not blatantly as FIJI.

Fred


On Sun, June 13, 2021 9:41 am, Christophe Leterrier wrote:

> As I wrote, if thousands of developpers can understand what they talk
> about
> when they mention "Linux" I think we can manage to use "ImageJ" for
> several
> related things without any risk of damage
>
> Le dim. 13 juin 2021 à 15:48, Herbie <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
>> Thanks Christophe!
>>
>> "Regarding ownership of the ImageJ name, to my knowledge ImageJ1 (the
>> software created and developed by Wayne) is and has always been public
>> domain."
>>
>> -- First, ImageJ1 is not the name Wayne used for the software he
>> developed.
>>
>> -- Second and legal questions aside, isn't it simply a question of
>> fairness
>> (especially in science) to not use the name of a renowned piece of
>> scientific software for a whole group of software that was in great part
>> (MB) not written by its author?
>>
>> Apart from that and as I wrote before, it is generally not a good idea
>> to
>> (later) use a specific term (ImageJ as a single stand-alone software)
>> _also_
>> as a generic term (ImageJ as "software ecosystem" comprising differently
>> named stand-alone software products) in the same field.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Herbie
>>
>> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>
>> lechristophe wrote
>> > Some elements here from a question you aksed in Image.sc about ImageJ
>> > trademarking in 2015
>> > https://forum.image.sc/t/imagej-trademark-of-uw-madison/433
>> >
>> > Regarding the logo, the original thread about a new logo and the
>> contest
>> > is
>> > here from the end of 2017:
>> > https://forum.image.sc/t/contest-new-imagej-logo/8485
>> >
>> > there's another thread with the voting process that lead to the choice
>> of
>> > the current logo.
>> >
>> > Christophe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le dim. 13 juin 2021 à 10:39, Christophe Leterrier <
>>
>> > christophe.leterrier@
>>
>> >> a écrit :
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> As a long-time user of ImageJ (I'd say since 2004-ish), I saw ImageJ
>> >> branching out several times with initiatives such as Fiji (which I
>> have
>> >> used for a decade), ImageJ2 (which in my understanding kinda morphed
>> into
>> >> an alternative, unfininished back-end within ImageJ1), sometimes
>> >> corresponding to funding efforts. I know about other "branches" such
>> as
>> >> ImageJFX but I don't know them well and they seem less developed.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding Fiji, I have read some make the parallel with a Linux
>> >> distribution, Fiji being an ImageJ "distribution". I think this is an
>> >> interesting analogy as "Linux" today can mean the kernel or something
>> >> from
>> >> the whole ecosystem (whether or not sanctionned by the original
>> creator)?
>> >>
>> >> Regarding ownership of the ImageJ name, to my knowledge ImageJ1 (the
>> >> software created and developed by Wayne) is and has always been
>> public
>> >> domain. I don't know enough about licenses to be sure what kind of
>> >> derivative it allows, but in my understanding it is quite flexible.
>> >>
>> >> Christophe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le sam. 12 juin 2021 à 13:03, Herbie &lt;
>>
>> > l16@
>>
>> > &gt; a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>> Dear listers,
>> >>>
>> >>> in the sequel to my previous question posted to this list
>> >>> &lt;Bad URL Removed - see why -
>> > &gt;>
>> >
>> https://ees.sps.nih.gov/services/Pages/Anti-Virus.aspx?A2=ind2106&L=IMAGEJ&P=R8899
>> >>> >,
>> >>> Kevin Eliceiri immediately provided some information regarding
>> recent
>> >>> terminological changes.
>> >>> Because his reply to my original question didn't make it to the list
>> >>> yet, and because the further email-exchange happened off-list, I
>> should
>> >>> like to post my understanding of the situation.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1.
>> >>> A longstanding fact is that Wayne Rasband conceptualized,
>> implemented
>> >>> and continuously extends and maintains the scientific image
>> processing
>> >>> software that he named "ImageJ" nearly 25 years ago.
>> >>> (I can't remember that he ever termed it differently.)
>> >>>
>> >>> 2.
>> >>> Only recently however, "ImageJ" appears being used in either a
>> different
>> >>> or a much wider sense (see the attachments to my previous post).
>> >>>  From Kevin Eliceiri I now learned that here "ImageJ" stands for
>> what
>> he
>> >>> calls the "ImageJ ecosystem" that includes all "ImageJ elements"
>> such
>> as
>> >>> "IJ1, IJ2 and FIJI".
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------
>> >>> I feel that it is not a good idea to use "ImageJ" as both, a
>> specific
>> >>> _as well as_ a generic term, and I'm pretty sure that such usage
>> will
>> >>> puzzle not only me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did Wayne Rasband agree with the "extended" meaning and usage of
>> >>> "ImageJ", the name he gave to the software that he developed?
>> >>> ----------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Apart from that, I'm surprised that IJ1 (that I understand is Wayne
>> >>> Rasband's ImageJ) or Fiji, both stand-alone software, should be
>> regarded
>> >>> as elements of ImageJ.
>> >>>
>> >>> All opinions welcome...
>> >>>
>> >>> Herbie
>> >>> ::::::::::::::::::::
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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