Image Window/Canvas behaviour

[Rainer M. Engel]

I'd like to ask if the behaviour of an images' frame is equal on every
OS and if this behaviour will be the same for the upcoming IJ2.

Zooming in and out of an image sometimes invokes strange and (speaking
for me) not wanted automatic adjustments of the image window. I would
expect that the window size and zoom-factor of an image could be set
separately. If there is a scrollbar supposed to appear this should be
the case if the window is smaller than the images' size (incl. optional
scaling).

In other words.
I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
screen with its window.
But from that point on I'd like to set it according to my needs without
any auto sizing.

What do others think about this?

I'm hoping to be not the only one a little bit annoyed by it.

Best Regards,
Rainer


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[ctrueden]

Hi Rainer,

> I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
> screen with its window. But from that point on I'd like to set it
> according to my needs without any auto sizing.

I agree that it would be ideal if there were a way to separately control
those two things (zoom and window size). However, at the moment ImageJ2
behaves the same as ImageJ1. We want ImageJ2 to look and feel and behave
like ImageJ1 as much as is realistic, so have opted to replicate ImageJ1's
behavior whenever feasible.

That said, we are more than happy to hear suggestions of how you would
prefer things to work. I know that some people really like the
auto-resizing behavior though, so the only way to make everyone happy might
be new preferences in the options somewhere. Would the suit your needs? Or
do you have a cleverer idea for how things could behave to make everyone
happy all the time?

Thanks,
Curtis


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Rainer M. Engel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'd like to ask if the behaviour of an images' frame is equal on every
> OS and if this behaviour will be the same for the upcoming IJ2.
>
> Zooming in and out of an image sometimes invokes strange and (speaking
> for me) not wanted automatic adjustments of the image window. I would
> expect that the window size and zoom-factor of an image could be set
> separately. If there is a scrollbar supposed to appear this should be
> the case if the window is smaller than the images' size (incl. optional
> scaling).
>
> In other words.
> I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
> screen with its window.
> But from that point on I'd like to set it according to my needs without
> any auto sizing.
>
> What do others think about this?
>
> I'm hoping to be not the only one a little bit annoyed by it.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rainer
>
>
> --
> Rainer M. Engel, Dipl. Digital Artist
> scientific|Media GbR
> Pichelsdorfer Str. 143
> 13595 Berlin
>
> --
> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>

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[Rainer M. Engel]

Hey Curtis,

> However, at the moment ImageJ2
> behaves the same as ImageJ1.

I understand that and sometimes making a change, only makes a change
frustrating more than to delight.

> the only way to make everyone happy might
> be new preferences in the options somewhere. Would the suit your needs? Or
> do you have a cleverer idea for how things could behave to make everyone
> happy all the time?

Preferences seems to be a good idea to make this a general option. On
the other hand good interfaces offer their options without detours. That
is the reason why airplane cockpits lock so "overloaded" to some ..

Currently there are three ways to zoom in and out.

left mouse b. vs. right mouse button
left mouse b. vs. CMD(Strg) + left mouse b.
left mouse b. vs. Alt + left mouse b.

Typically Alt switches to a reversed option and there may exist systems
with only one button mouses although I think that these times have gone.

Shift + left mouse brings the image back to 100% what is nice too.

Why not reserve the CMD/Strg button to zoom with a non scaled window.
One would have to know that but on the other hand this can be
checked/tried very quickly.

This could be combined with a preference setting stating the described
short cuts.

Mmmh...

Best Regards,
Rainer




Am 25.02.2013 20:31, schrieb Curtis Rueden:

> Hi Rainer,
>
>> I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
>> screen with its window. But from that point on I'd like to set it
>> according to my needs without any auto sizing.
>
> I agree that it would be ideal if there were a way to separately control
> those two things (zoom and window size). However, at the moment ImageJ2
> behaves the same as ImageJ1. We want ImageJ2 to look and feel and behave
> like ImageJ1 as much as is realistic, so have opted to replicate ImageJ1's
> behavior whenever feasible.
>
> That said, we are more than happy to hear suggestions of how you would
> prefer things to work. I know that some people really like the
> auto-resizing behavior though, so the only way to make everyone happy might
> be new preferences in the options somewhere. Would the suit your needs? Or
> do you have a cleverer idea for how things could behave to make everyone
> happy all the time?
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Rainer M. Engel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to ask if the behaviour of an images' frame is equal on every
>> OS and if this behaviour will be the same for the upcoming IJ2.
>>
>> Zooming in and out of an image sometimes invokes strange and (speaking
>> for me) not wanted automatic adjustments of the image window. I would
>> expect that the window size and zoom-factor of an image could be set
>> separately. If there is a scrollbar supposed to appear this should be
>> the case if the window is smaller than the images' size (incl. optional
>> scaling).
>>
>> In other words.
>> I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
>> screen with its window.
>> But from that point on I'd like to set it according to my needs without
>> any auto sizing.
>>
>> What do others think about this?
>>
>> I'm hoping to be not the only one a little bit annoyed by it.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Rainer
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rainer M. Engel, Dipl. Digital Artist
>> scientific|Media GbR
>> Pichelsdorfer Str. 143
>> 13595 Berlin
>>
>> --
>> ImageJ mailing list: http://imagej.nih.gov/ij/list.html
>>
>
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[Rainer M. Engel]

Hello everyone,

I thought about this behaviour again whilst trying to achieve the following.

I open a single image from a folder containing a sequence. The workflow
is now to offer several options via a customized menu bar (ActionBar).
One thing would be the navigation through that image folder. Basically a
simple back and forth.

So I open "Image_009.tif", make some notes/modifications and want to
load the subsequent image which is "Image_010.tif". This is quite easy,
but the new image is not shown at the same position and has different
window options (zoom, canvas size/position).

Is there a way to get some ImageViewer feeling inside of ImageJ without
loosing the rich feature-set available?

A function to get one window's size and reapply that to a new one could
do it for me, but there might be better ideas.

Thanks in advance for any support..

Best regards,
Rainer




Am 25.02.2013 17:45, schrieb Rainer M. Engel:

> I'd like to ask if the behaviour of an images' frame is equal on every
> OS and if this behaviour will be the same for the upcoming IJ2.
>
> Zooming in and out of an image sometimes invokes strange and (speaking
> for me) not wanted automatic adjustments of the image window. I would
> expect that the window size and zoom-factor of an image could be set
> separately. If there is a scrollbar supposed to appear this should be
> the case if the window is smaller than the images' size (incl. optional
> scaling).
>
> In other words.
> I like the way a new image is shown with a scaling value to fit my
> screen with its window.
> But from that point on I'd like to set it according to my needs without
> any auto sizing.
>
> What do others think about this?
>
> I'm hoping to be not the only one a little bit annoyed by it.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rainer
>

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Rainer M. Engel, Dipl. Digital Artist
scientific|Media GbR
Pichelsdorfer Str. 143
13595 Berlin

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