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nwoller
Hi,

I am a new ImageJ user. I have taken a series of images of a slide with tonsil tissue which has been stained with hematoxylin as well as liquid permanent red (Immunostain). I have been careful to capture all of the images in exactly the same way, same light intensity, same exposure time, same white balance etc. I would like to count the number of hematoxylin-stained nuclei in my images. I threshold the image, apply a watershed and use "analyze particles". Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to apply the same thresholds to my images. A threshold that works nicely for one image is completely hopeless for another image. It is possible that the intensity of the hematoxylin stain varies quite alot in the same tissue. A colleague therefore suggested that I should threshold by finding the top of the "threshold curve" and using that value for thresholding my images. What do you think? I would really appreciate some help and advice.

Nina
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Re: threshholding nuclei

Ralph Common
It is often best not to use a counterstain when you need to threshold a
specifically stained feature.  You can have duplicate slides made, one
set with counterstain, one without.  If this is no longer possible you
can try to eliminate the affect of the eosin by using a red filter and
photographing your slides in monochrome mode.

Ralph Common

On 1/16/2011 2:13 PM, nwoller wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a new ImageJ user. I have taken a series of images of a slide with
> tonsil tissue which has been stained with hematoxylin as well as liquid
> permanent red (Immunostain). I have been careful to capture all of the
> images in exactly the same way, same light intensity, same exposure time,
> same white balance etc. I would like to count the number of
> hematoxylin-stained nuclei in my images. I threshold the image, apply a
> watershed and use "analyze particles". Unfortunately, I don't seem to be
> able to apply the same thresholds to my images. A threshold that works
> nicely for one image is completely hopeless for another image. It is
> possible that the intensity of the hematoxylin stain varies quite alot in
> the same tissue. A colleague therefore suggested that I should threshold by
> finding the top of the "threshold curve" and using that value for
> thresholding my images. What do you think? I would really appreciate some
> help and advice.
>
> Nina
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Re: threshholding nuclei

Joel Sheffield
Assuming that your original images are RGB, you might consider separating
the color channels and then carrying out the analysis.  The other issue that
is often a problem is whether you have even illumination across the field.
It might help if you could post a link to some of the images.

Joel


On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Ralph Common <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It is often best not to use a counterstain when you need to threshold a
> specifically stained feature.  You can have duplicate slides made, one set
> with counterstain, one without.  If this is no longer possible you can try
> to eliminate the affect of the eosin by using a red filter and photographing
> your slides in monochrome mode.
>
> Ralph Common
>
>
> On 1/16/2011 2:13 PM, nwoller wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a new ImageJ user. I have taken a series of images of a slide with
>> tonsil tissue which has been stained with hematoxylin as well as liquid
>> permanent red (Immunostain). I have been careful to capture all of the
>> images in exactly the same way, same light intensity, same exposure time,
>> same white balance etc. I would like to count the number of
>> hematoxylin-stained nuclei in my images. I threshold the image, apply a
>> watershed and use "analyze particles". Unfortunately, I don't seem to be
>> able to apply the same thresholds to my images. A threshold that works
>> nicely for one image is completely hopeless for another image. It is
>> possible that the intensity of the hematoxylin stain varies quite alot in
>> the same tissue. A colleague therefore suggested that I should threshold
>> by
>> finding the top of the "threshold curve" and using that value for
>> thresholding my images. What do you think? I would really appreciate some
>> help and advice.
>>
>> Nina
>>
>


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Re: threshholding nuclei

labomer
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HI TO EVERYONE,
I AM TRYING TO GET CELL COUNTING ACTUALLY NUCLEI COUNTING WITH HOECHST STAINED IN THE TISSUE SECTION.
COULD YOU SENR ME ANY INFORMATION FOR COUNTING NUCLEI?
BEST..
OMER
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labomer
In reply to this post by nwoller
HI TO EVERYONE,
I AM TRYING TO GET CELL COUNTING ACTUALLY NUCLEI COUNTING WITH HOECHST STAINED IN THE TISSUE SECTION.
COULD YOU SENR ME ANY INFORMATION FOR COUNTING NUCLEI?
BEST..
OMER